Monday, February 04, 2008

'You ain't gonna like losing'

Everyone has a different opinion on the war, and our current President. But, this article makes a lot of sense, and I hope you will read it and give it some thought. What a difference 60 years makes..!!!
'You ain't gonna like losing.' Author unknown.

President Bush did make a bad mistake in the war on terrorism. But the mistake was not his decision to go to war in Iraq . Bush's mistake came in his belief that this country is the same one his father fought for in WWII. It is not.

Back then, they had just come out of a vicious depression. The country was steeled by the hardship of that depression, but they still believed fervently in this country. They knew that the people had elected their leaders, so it was the people's duty to back those leaders.
Therefore, when the war broke out the people came together, rallied behind, and stuck with their leaders, whether they had voted for them or not or whether the war was going badly or not.

And war was just as distasteful and the anguish just as great then as it is today. Often there were more casualties in one day in WWII than we have had in the entire Iraq war. But that did not matter. The people stuck with the President because it was their patriotic duty Americans put aside their differences in WWII and worked together to win that war.

Everyone from every strata of society, from young to old pitched in. Small children pulled little wagons around to gather scrap metal for the war effort. Grade school students saved their pennies to buy stamps for war bonds to help the effort.

Men who were too old or medically 4F lied about their age or condition trying their best to join the military. Women doubled their work to keep things going at home. Harsh rationing of everything from gasoline to soap, to butter was imposed, yet there was very little complaining.

You never heard prominent people on the radio belittling the President. Interestingly enough in those days there were no fat cat actors and entertainers who ran off to visit and fawn over dictators of hostile countries and complain to them about our President. Instead, they made upbeat films and entertained our troops to help the troops' morale. And a bunch even enlisted.

And imagine this: Teachers in schools actually started the day off with a Pledge of Allegiance, and with prayers for our country and our troops!

Back then, no newspaper would have dared point out certain weak spots in our cities where bombs could be set off to cause the maximum damage. No newspaper would have dared complain about what we were doing to catch spies.

A newspaper would have been laughed out of existence if it had complained that German or Japanese soldiers were being 'tortured' by being forced to wear women's underwear, or subjected to interrogation by a woman, or being scared by a dog or did not have air conditioning.

There were a lot of things different back then. We were not subjected to a constant bombardment of pornography, perversion and promiscuity in movies or on radio. We did not have legions of crackheads, dope pushers and armed gangs roaming our streets.

No, President Bush did not make a mistake in his handling of terrorism. He made the mistake of believing that we still had the courage and fortitude of our fathers. He believed that this was still the country that our fathers fought so dearly to preserve.

It is not the same country. It is now a cross between Sodom and Gomorra and the land of Oz. We did unite for a short while after 9/11, but our attitude changed when we found out that defending our country would require some sacrifices.

We are in great danger. The terrorists are fanatic Muslims. They believe that it is okay, even their duty to kill anyone who will not convert to Islam. It has been estimated that about one third or over three hundred million Muslims are sympathetic to the terrorists cause...Hitler and Tojo combined did not have nearly that many potential recruits.

So...we either win it - or lose it - and you ain't gonna like losing.

America is not at war. The military is at war. America is at the mall.

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Kristina said...

Ah, yes. I do like this one. Thanks for posting it. It's been a while since I read it.


I'll Make The First Comment on this post...Oh, Hi Kristina, Ladies First. I've Printed & Deleted Loop Garoo's long-winded 6-page tirade. It's A blogger's pregrogative.

INVADING ARMIES have been enslaving
conquered people for thousands of years, So Slavery Is Nothing New.

When Abe Lincoln involved us in the
Civil War in 1860, it cost us a bloody 600,000 dead in five years;
mostly white-skins in that one.
More Dead Troops Than WWII.

Lincoln Was The Most Hated President in our short history, and his Legasy...a grateful and noble nation with a heritage that needs defending. Slavery was forever doomed in this Land of the Free, although, admittedly it took a couple of generations to implement it.
In WWII, we had a Negro Infantry Division in Italy, called the "Nine/Deuce" that helped us defeat the Evil Nazi War Monster.

We had an All-negro Air Squadron, in the U.S. Army Air Force that
fought Hitler's Messerschmitt. They were Magnificent (Look 'em Up)! Gen. Dwight David Eisenhower began a program of fully integrating our military in the 1940's. It took time.

Democrats JFK & LBJ and M.L. King helped to give "black" citizens their 'inalienable rights'.

Today, West Point Academy Graduates Great 'Black' Leaders to command our troops. Fine Men, like General Colin Powell, that may one day seek the Highest Political Office, the Presidency (I'd vote, without hesitation, for a man like that, or a "Black" Woman like Condi Rice! We've come a long way.

Now We Have Another President That
Is Hated By Half Of This Nation, and That's a Damn Shame. This Ill
Will Is Poisonous, Manufactured Hate, by Political Opportunists!
On Sept 11, 2001, we suffered another Sneak Attack that killed 2,972 innocent citizens. This Evil
has No Sovereign Borders. This slaughter took a single hour! Its a Radical, Suicidal Kill-Culture, led by "holy" ayatollahs and imams; an off-shoot of one of the World's Great Theocracies...Islam.

Immediately, these killers received support from our own Homegrown Radicals. I've given them a Title:

The P.P.P.P.& J. THE PANDERING PROGRESSIVE PIMPS of PEACE & JUSTICE. They are also well-known, "aka"...

A.N.S.W.E.R. (Est. Sept 14, 2001)

CODE PINK ~ (Est. Nov 17, 2002)

U.F.P.J. ~ (Est. Oct 25, 2002)

This last one really bears looking into, for they are a well-funded, well organized, Hard-core 'Castro' Communist Front known as UNITED FOR PEACE & JUSTICE, w/ 1300 local & national groups, and they have 'alliances' in All Fifty of these United States. They are well represented on most College and
University Campus as I type this.(Search U.F.P.J., for your own state and town). They are in Loop Garoo's Denver & Colorado Springs,
and he just shrugs them off. Imagine that.
Today, in the 21st Century, we see a multitude of Hate Groups & Peace Foundations that Solicit Your Help In Ripping Our Nation To Shreds (see Vast Left-Wing, Parts I & II).

The most well-known billionaire is
George Soros. You've seen "Uncle Georgie's Full-Page Attack Ad in the N.Y. Times, demeaning General David Petraeus, (Gen BeTrayUs), and signed MoveOnDotOrg. Today, he Endorses Barack OBAMA! He wants his
"Shadow Party" In the Oval Office.
We at Snake Hunters believe Soros represents Pure Evil; Loop Garoo chooses to ridicule me, rather than
Confront the Obvious Enemy here on
our own soil. He is a "Secular- Progressive". One of us is a radical; I leave it to the reader's
judgement. Which of us provides accurate evidence & information,
w/o malice? One of us is full of "Hot-Air". You choose...reb

Anonymous said...

Snake Hunter sez,

Loop Garoo: Now Sir, you are very welcome to add your comment. Please
make a serious try at being more CONCISE. Repetitive rants on George W. Bush is boring, (he and his V.P. aren't running again), and (a) it detracts from your fine historical viewpoint, and (b) it tends to place you alongside the "conditioned" masses that spew hatred and bumper-sticker logic, ad nauseum.
I'll be happy to U.S. Mail the
deleted copy back to your address for administrative review. (It was
not your finest hour, and removing all the scorch & slag will better serve the effort. Your friend, reb

The Loop Garoo Kid said...


I recognize your pregative. You need not mail the comment back. I run an office and the price of stamps has caused me to begin transmitting correspondence and documents via facsimile when I formerly relied on the USPS.

I regret you deleted the comment but I regret your posting "You ain't gonna like losing" even more. I have been a regular visitor to this site for more than a year and I am compelled to advise that "You ain't gonna like losing" in my opinion is the least intelligent comment I read here. This includes the archives.

Inasmuch as its argument, which castigates the the character of current Americans, is premised on an implicit defense of the foreign policy of George W. Bush, it was easy to shred in that regard. Its specious attempts to compare the attitude of Americans today w/ those of your generation and your parents generation also provided fodder for negative critique.

Finally, I thought shameful the author's exhortation of blind obedience to authority and the inference that dissent should be stifled.

By deleting my response, you have stifled dissent. If you believed my coment to be too long or repetitious, you could have merely edited it.

The only solace I take is that you did not write it. Until next time.


Emilie said...

Gee, Reb, (what does Reb mean?),

I wish you hadn't deleted Loop Garoo's post before I had a chance to read it. I always like reading what he posts. I have always liked your posts too since you share some of my beliefs. I have printed out many of your and his best; you can get really wordy too, like me; I hope you won't delete my post here if it runs a little long.

I am surprised by your "you ain't gonna like losing" statement. This is a free country and being disappointed in the decisions of our leaders and voicing that concern is guaranteed by our constitution that allows us to dissent. Dissenting does not make us all traitors. I agree that some dissenters can get way out of line and sound to you like they are anti-American and the enemy within; however, we can't blindly support this current "war" like we did WWII. I am only 68 to your 80+ but I remember rationing, etc.(It was my job at the age of 5 or so to knead the package of "butter" with the red dot of dye in it until it changed from white to yellow). I remember the tiny red and blue stamps in books that were used when buying gasoline, etc. I used to smash tin cans flat. I remember the pre-war cars and toys and that production stopped on them. We all joined the effort then, but this war is not like the one we knew.

I also remember that our enemy then was not like the enemy we face now, and that we won that war in less time than we have been involved in this one. We have not won this one. We can't drop the big bomb this time. Doesn't that fact make you realize that we need a leader that will find real intelligence to seek out and eliminate the real perpetrators of "9-eleven" and stamp out terrorists? Our unfortunate involvement has led to the devastation of Iraq, and Bin Laden and the other radicals are still free. It also makes me sick to see the "leader of the free world" kissing those rich royal rag-heads in Saudi. I have lost some respect for him. Our leader is not supposed to kiss the Pope's ring or kiss Muslims. That is demeaning to him and to us as Americans. The perpetrators of the 9-eleven terrorism were all mostly from Saudi and they are considered martyr heroes there. They were not poor little brown Catholic men from south of the border. They were pale-skinned sons of rich Muslims and were highly educated in Europe and America. They were the real enemy within.

Please realize that those who stay here and dissent are the ones who know that they won't be able to fight like you did, like my Purple Heart uncles did. The world is different now, invaded by an ideology that has no borders, no standing army wearing identifiable uniforms, carry no one flag. It is not like your war, so we can't always support it the way you would like.

Who raised our radical dissenters and their permissive parents? Why were they and their parents indulged as you and I were not? Why don't kids know where the countries are on a map, how to spell, know historical timelines, historical personages? You are right, they live at the mall and learn nothing there. Who builds those malls and all those crappy fast food places? Who churns out all that purient stuff called entertainment? I too long for a country of small decent enterprises with individuality where you knew what town you were in by the landmarks. I didn't like being sent to the back of the bus or being barred from restaurants, but peaceful dissent brought an end to that. It is great to be really free.

I am sick of the runaway military/industrial complex that feeds pap to the masses. They could care less about the "people". They were born with silver spoons in their mouths. They sneer at everyone not in their class, the class to which they pledge allegiance and not to this country; they are the new robber barons, they visit each other in each others' countries in their private jets, they have mega-mansions everywhere, do the "seasons" at all the posh places in the world. They cut deals amongnst themselves and exploit the little people doing so.

So who is to blame? Aren't your and my geneneration to blame? Dissent is as inevitable as anything else, and we have to fix things right.

Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA

Anonymous said...

snake hunter sez,

Loop & Emilie,

Legitimate Dissent is a wonderful
blessing, and a very necessary part
of a Free Nation.

However, their are elements that
Hate Our Values, and seek to change
our basic fundamentals. Immediately
after 9/11 up popped A.N.S.W.E.R.,
Code Pink, and U.F.P.J. AND
"Uncle George Soros" w/ 'Open Society Institute'.

To classify the above as 'Normal Dissent' is Pure Folly! It is... IGNOR-ANCE OF A GRIM REALITY.

This Weblog Attempts To Inform &
Alert our citizens, and it's discouraging in the extreme, when I fail you. reb



I'll be 83 on Feb 11th, and I am
Not Computer Literate. Too damn old
to learn and retain the complexities.

This Old Windows 98 recently was
invaded with a MAL Virus, and I'm
struggling as I type this.

Google Owns "', and lately 'Mr. G' insists that I "Sign
In" every day, retype my hotmail address and my password several times a day, just to type a simple Comment (notice the anonymous?)

So it takes some determination! Hope you'll bare with me.

(reb are my initials). reb

Mohamed said...

Hello Mr.reb,

Hope to be fine.

You may like to check my new post; "Reaction vs Action".

Have a good day,



About Loop Garoo,

I believe he is "one of the good-guys" in the 'sec-progressive' camp
but he is a One Issue Rascal that
joins the Hate Dubya Crowd with a
boring, repetitive chatter about our military presence in Iraq.

WHERE We Challenge Them Is NOT Pertinent. Iraq is just fine.

I wanted to speak first on "You Ain't Gonna Like Losing" but Loop beat me to it! It was SIX printed pages bum-rapping our efforts in Iraq, and AGAIN blaming George Bush/Cheney. Boring!

He is welcome to re-enter it, I won't delete. Loop & I have had a
long, rewarding friendship. His
political orientation simply ignores the Voluminous Evidence of
"Vast Left-Wing", Part I & II.

Loop Garoo tends to deal in Political Fantasy that fits his
Secular-Progressive Notions, and
I Prefer The Grim Reality.

Bush & His Top Advisors felt the
need to Confront Global Jihad. I Agree! Japanese Imperialism, Italy's Mussolini, and Germany's Nazism, is dwarfed when compared to
Global Theocracy of Islam's Radicals. IF they are ever allowed
to Gain Full Momentum, They are a Committed Suicidal Kill-Culture, and If We Fail to Choke Them Off Now, the WORLD Will Lose, And THEY
Ain't Gonna Like It! These Crazies
Will Not Be Deterred. reb

Anonymous said...

I had a personal note to
Loop Garoo & Emilie, and it
took the better part of 1 hr.

Then the computer mouse failed!
So, I'll probably be handicapped
for another week 'til Son-in-Law
returns from UCLA.

Thanks for your patience. reb


Here's A Report you will not see
on CNN or FOX News Channel...

OBAMA gaining momentum, and it was
as predictable as the dawn. On February 1st, MoveOn's 26 yr old stooge, Eli Pariser, announced Uncle Georgie's Endorsement of Barack Obama! (Now watch the Polls Reverse).

Our 'King-maker Soros' believes he has his Golden-Boy. He believes it's his best chance to put the O.S.I.
"Shadow Party" in the Oval Office. Suddenly, Obama gets a 3 Million Dollar Windfall from the Internet,
IN ONE DAY! Imagine that.

Meanwhile, his ex-Golden Girl Hilly
Clinton's Campaign is reported to be suddenly short of funds, w/ unpaid staff! Oh my goodness. Is that possible?

Yeah. Her "machine" needs Grease.

Uncle Georgie Soros has spoken! Watch the Endorsements; First Sen John Kerry, then Eli Pariser, and
then "Teddy" Kennedy. It's looking grim for Hilly/Billy; no more easy tracking for the Glamourous Duo.

CHANGE you can REALLY Believe In.

No, I Have No Crystal Ball, but I'm Alert for Political Shenanigans! I'm a Hoax-Buster. A Critter-Getter. I wonder how many are listening to this old grump? Not many, I would guess.
McCain is Distrusted by the Far-Right "Conservatives". A Vigorous
Romney is Distrusted because, although he's a fine family man, with a Moral/Ethical Jesus Compass,
he's a MORMON, and Baptists & Methodists in the South can't bring themselves to Trust Him! So
they vote for Huckabee! Whoops!

Well, unless the Republicans Wise Up, this puts Uncle George and his "Progressive" Loonies In The White House, and there goes all hope of Confronting Global Jihad.

Iran Is Still Enriching U-235, and
one day, someone might remember why
"Election 2008" went so terribly wrong. BIG MONEY, Shucks Happens!

Maybe they'll blame it all on Bush/Cheney/Halliburton. Or Water-boarding Khalid Sheik Mohammed. Or
No Air-Conditioning at Gitmo.

What Fools We Mortals Be!

Heavenly Father, if you're really up there, I hope I'm wrong on this one.

Watch the Endorsements! reb

The Loop Garoo Kid said...


Sorry for your technical problems. Time is limited today so I will be brief.

First, to all and sundry" Gongxi Facai. "Happy New Year" in mandarin. Today is the lunar new year and begins the Year of the Rat. Is this a coincidence that the Year of the Rat is an election year?

Meanwhile, as much as you lament George Soros, there are equally interested parties on the other side of the political spectrum which is how John McCain was smeared through push polling in South Carolina in 2000 and how the term "swiftboating came into existence in 2004.

Lastly, w/ respect to Iraq, although I may address the anonymous author later, here is the issue reduced to its essence.
reb and I agree that it is important to confront global jihad or radical Islam or Islamist which terms and concepts are more or less interchangeable.

Iraq, however, as unghappy a country as it was under Saddam, was not a major player in global jihad. For reasons I have expressed previously, there is no ploitcal solution in Iraq. It was foreseeable there was no political solution in Iraq and now the country has become a lobster trap for our military and monetary resources which would be much better expended confronting global jihad elsewhere.

I believe a country should go to war if it is attacked. Although we have suffered attacks from radical Islam (see 9/11; the USS Cole; embassies in Tehran; Dar es Sallam; and Nairobi) Iraq had no connection w/ any of them.

As a footnote, I will point out one additional item b/f which I will admit that I was mistaken in my belief that no sitting senator would evr again be elected president of our country, an event that is now certain to occur.

Certainly John McCain will face challenges along the way as will the Democratic nominee. On of Sen. McCain's major challenges will be to explain to the American people why the war in Iraq was a good idea and why he suported it form its inception. Please note, this is different from why it is necessary now that we reamin in Iraq.


Anonymous said...

Snake Hunters sez,

Loop Garoo,

All are subject to occasional error
and it's gracious of you to admit
a minor flaw in judgement that "no sitting U.S. Senator would ever again be elected president of our country".

a) With the gracious withdrawal of Governor Mitt Romney on Feb 7th, it now seems inevitable that we will indeed have a Senator-Nominee as our next President. No big item.

b) Curiously, You Hesitate To Name the Chosen Democratic Nominee, indicating that you have yet to get the word (by pony express, from MoveOnDotOrg?) Well...

c) From Tower, Town and Cottage, let all hear the trumpet's blast!
King George Soros the First has decreed:

Dump Hilly/Billy! Rally the foot-troops & the Horsemen, sharpen your spears; for at tomorrow's dawn, we sally forth on a cruel and destructive pathway, to crush the Neo-Conservative Base, set fire to their ramparts, and proclaim to all the town & country-side, the victory of OPEN SOCIETY INSTITUTE!

Furthermore, we shall withdraw all
American Troops, in a timely fashion, from Iraq. Now, this may
allow an enboldened al Queda Insurgency to re-establish their
brute control of this nation, increase the ability to recruit Suicidal Killers, allow IRAN to expand it's hegemony to another nation, and construct a Permanent Assault Base, and Firmly Establish Allah's Theocratic by-proxy Rule by Our IRANIAN Grand Ayatollah.

So Be It!
From This Day Forward, open your checkbooks, zing your Visa & Mastercard, for the next President of the United States....Our humble servant, BARAaaaaCKK O-BAMA!
A Swift-Boater's Gift, and a
Correction: Sen John Kerry's Own Words of disgusting treachery before the Senate in 1971, I'll repeat here:

"We Cut Off Heads, we cut off ears,
we est. "free fire zones", we shot
pet dogs...". When asked if he actually witnessed these things, he said, "Well No, but I Heard About Them!" Uh huh.

In this century he made two more
anti-military remarks (on camera) "Our troops in Iraq are terrorizing Iraqi Women & Children in the dark of night" and when addressing High School kids here at home Senator John Kerry said, "Get a good education, or you'll be STUCK IN IRAQ!" (Our Volunteer Troopers Fighting in Iraq & Afganistan Loved that One).

When Naval Officer O'Brian stated
that this guy was UNFIT FOR COMMAND
anguished Democrats screamed that the Senator from Massachussets was
being "Swift-boated". Well, bless 'em all! reb


Loop, February 7th, 2008

Year Of The Rat? Were you perchance
referring to our billionaire benevolent benefactor...

King George Soros, The First?
May the Saints Preserve Us!

Now if so, go hide under your desk!
Senator Harry Reid & Madame Pelosi
might require your resignation from
the Secular-Progressive's Elite Lounge, or the National Lawyers Guild!

"Let there be PEACE, At Any Price". Chio. reb

Donald Douglas said...

Have a great weekend, Ralph!



What the hell does that mean?

If I wake up in the morning
at this tender age, I'm already

The Loop Garoo Kid said...


The Democratic nomination is too close to call. George Soros has a lot of money but only one vote. I continue to believe your preoccupation w/ him bends your perspective.

As for the rat(s), I was referring to politicians in general.

My remark about the sitting senator was actually made b/f I leanrned Mitt Romney had w/drawn.

My thinking on that issue has been based on the fact that most senators, particularly ones that have served several terms, have voting records. Next come the attack ads and sound bites that distort those records.

Meanwhile, I seem to be observing the Republican party going throeugh a bit of an identity crisis. It is apparent that the conservative candidates did not gain much traction. Therefore, John McCain has a challenge which is to woo the conservatives in the GOP who seem to loathe him while appealing to independent and swing voters who tend to be moderate. The latter decide the outcome of elections.

I just wish Hillary Clinton got it. At the caucus Tuesday night, there was no official spokesperson for the Clinton or Obama campaigns.

Speakers supporting each were self appointed and were allotted 2 minutes each.

The fifty some woman speaking for Obama made a good point in noting that it was refreshing to see young people engaged in politics again and we had Obama to thank for that.

The twenty some young lady who spoke for Clinton emphasized that she had experience; she had been there; AND THAT IF ELECTED, SHE WOIULD HAVE BILL RIGHT THERE! (Emphasis mine.) If I were the type to slap womwn or men for that matter, which I am not, I would have slapped her. I certainly felt like berating her.

She, like Hillary, just doesn't get it. I thought Bill Clinton was a good president. Things, by and large went pretty well during those 8 years. I still am mystified by the animus that many Americans feel topward him and toward Hillary. That fact that I am mystified by it does not blind me to its existence.

I felt like telling this young lady as I will tell all Clinton supporters w/ this comment is that barring an unforeseen event like another attack on our homeland, the only chance that John McCain has to win the election is if the Democrats nominate Hillary Clinton. If that occurs, the disaffected conservative minions of the GOP will put aside their dislike for John McCain. They will canvass; the will man the political barricades; they will rise up and do whatever they can to avert another Clinton presidency.



Well Loop Garoo & Yankee,

You both seem to enjoy wandering
around the Sahara, looking for a
shallow-depth waterhole.

Watch The Endorsements! Example:

a) F.Castro for Clinton/ObamaTicket
b) MoveOn's George SOROS ~ Obama
c) Sen. John Kerry ~ Obama
d) "Teddy" & Caroline ~ Obama
e) Mass Gov. D. Patrick ~ Obama
f) Wash Gov Gregaire ~ Obama
g) Oprah Winfrey ~ Obama
h) Oregon Gov ~ Obama

Hillary Clinton Endorsements:

a) N.O.W. Nat.Org. of Women ~ Hilly
b) AFSCME (Union) 3.4 Mil ~`Hilly
c) SMART ShtMetal,Air-Rail-Tr 230M
d) Billy Jean King, Tennis

You see! Now Print & Save. You will
enjoy the next nine months, avoid all the Con & Hoopla, and devote more time to Golf or whatever else
amuses you. All of This, courtesy
of Snake Hunters Weblog. Your pal,

Don't Let them x%=#+*@z&'s grind you down!




(frame it for den or office) reb

Yankee Doodle said...

Wow, I don't know Castro supports a Clinton/Obama ticket.


Fidel, in his remaining hours of life, must believe that these two,
are closer to his fantasy of a more perfect system of governance. reb

Tom the Redhunter said...

"I still am mystified by the animus that many Americans feel topward him and toward Hillary."

This will surprise you, loop, but I really don't dislike Bill either. I didn't want him as president, and he disgraced the office with the Monika dalliance, but unlike other conservatives I never hated him. Further, I don't hold him responsible for not doing more to go after al Qaeda etc.

I also don't dislike Obama. I'd never vote for him in a million years, but he is actually quite likeable. He's also the most revolutionary candidate since Ronald Reagan, but that's a subject for a much longer post.

Hillary I do dislike. She's the most power hungry politician in the country. She's "mother knows best" for the entire country and I think really despises the average person. She's an absolute socialist who wants the government to control everything in this country.

30 years ago I read both Orwell's "1984" and Huxley's "Brave New World". Given that the Soviet threat still loomed large, I thought then that the horrors of "1984" were the greater danger.

Now I think "Brave New World" may be in our future, especially if Hillary gets elected president.

Anonymous said...

Snake Hunters sez to Redhunter,

Hillary or Obama, what's the difference? They have accepted
'King-Maker' Soros Campaign Money!

They are beholden to Open Society

We see two prancing, well groomed
horses up-front, but Nobody wants
to Look In The Trash-Wagon! reb


They All Want...

"CHANGE we can believe in"

What they'll get is Freedom's Last Gasp into Government Dependency,

No More Inventive Genius; no more
small business incentive,

Surrender to a Suicidal Theocracy in the Middle East; Global Jihad!

And Costly "Free" Medicine, as we flounder and succumb to Outrageous Misfortune of High Taxes & Bigger

We All Want a 24 hour, "Bait & Switch" SALE, with 50% Off on Everything of High Quality & Value (it's called traffic-creation) and later, when we inspect the purchase, we are angry at the Pitch-man...not Ourselves!

CaveatEmptor! Let The Buyer Beware.

I can hear them whining now, "Well, It Looked Good!"

There's a Sucker born every minute,
and Two waiting to take him. reb

Barb said...

Come to my blog, fellahs!

GWBush has been a good president with a lot of bad press and expensive trauma at home. Our compassionate conservatism, however, is part of the problem of economy --on top of what was probably a necessary war --considering what Sadam wanted to do eventually, had tried to do, had promised to do. He himself was a WMD.

Hillary's history is pretty bad --and Obama is all rhetoric. McCain is too old (no offense Reb, since you are older!) -- I wish we could have anticipated the need for the unity of the conservatives of the party --they split their vote. Now McCain hopes to win with 40 per cent of the GOP supporting him? Is there no chance numerically for Huck?

The Loop Garoo Kid said...

Tom TRH,

I am glad that you did not feel any animus toward Bill Clinton but then whatever you may be, you are not a reactionary. Although, I do not agree w/ you on some issues, I recognize that you have considered the issue b/f taking a position.

One issue upon which we do agree is Hillary Clinton's ambition. By comparison, Lady MacBeth was a slacker. It is this ambition which blinds her to her second failing which is her divisiveness. The polarizing effect she has will render it impossible for her to build a bridge back to the 20th century much less one to the 21st.

Finally, this country has been ill served by presidential dynasties of late, why repeat a mistake?

Note, that these conclsuions are predicated upon Hillary Clinton's essence rather than an analysis of her policies.


I confess that people like you amaze me. What reality are yiu experiencing? "Compassionate conservatism?" W/ George W. Bush, you cannot foind the compassion w/ a falshlight and both hands and your success in finding the conservatism would be limited.

"A good presdient a lot of bad press?" The Bard wrote that some men are born great; some achieve greatness; and some have great thrust upon them. Certainly George W. Bush falls into the latter category. He seized the megaphone at ground zero; he threw the Taliban out on their ears, or rears maybe, and at that point not only was approval nearly unprescendented, he was posed to
become another FDR, in staure at least.

Iraq was not"probably a necessary war." Even if Saddam Hussein had WMDs, Iraq was not a necessary war.

Most readers of this blog recognize that the challenge that faces western civilization is radical Islam; or Islamists; or global jihad--choose your label. These atre the people who wish to build a bridge to the 7th century and reistate the Caliphate.
Currently, as was the case b/f 9/11, the nation state that is exporting this pernicious doctrine, is Iran.

The other nest of vipers is located in the tribal areas of Pakistan where al Qaeda is currently training as they did in Afghanistan; where the Taliban is regrouping.

Ever hear of Baitullah Mehsud? Absent a well place hellfire missile, you will become as familair w/ that name in the months to coame as you are w/ OBL.

Regrettably, our ability to confront our deadliest enemies has been severly compromised by our involvement in Iraq. This is true in both military and political terms.

The person who led us into this predicament is not a "good president with a lot of bad press."

As I have advised reb, the choice that confronts us is either to mobilize the entire country which we have done in the past but which is probaly impossible to do at this juncture politically, socially, or economically, or to start moving toward some other endgame in Iraq which will prevent Iraq from turning into Afghanistan under the taliban, or Somalia, or any other failed nation you care to name.

The one thing that is claer to me is that the current Iraqi government is unwilling or unable to be part of the solution and the solution is beyond our means alone to accomplish. By the latter, what I mean is that ultimately, I raq rerquires a political solution and our military involvement is only the means to that end.


Tom the Redhunter said...

Loop Garoo

If I was a liberal I'd be for Obama all the way.

"whatever you may be, you are not a reactionary. Although, I do not agree w/ you on some issues, I recognize that you have considered the issue b/f taking a position."

Thank you

Barb said...

loop garoo--where does your name come from and does it mean anything?? Sounds like a name my daddy would've made up!

Your post was all over the place, I thought --maybe you could clarify.

E.G. you praise Bush --but not for Iraq--and then say Iraq requires a military solution for which we are there. Did I read too fast?

I think we will find that our presence in the middle east is a crack in Muslim ignorance about the rest of the world, their view of Islam, their view of other faiths.

Anonymous said...

Loop Garoo (do you have a blog?)

I agree with you. Ralph has picked up this King Soros/MoveOn thing like a dog with a bone and won't let go. He is starting to sound like that other fellow we know with the one-note issue. He even put words in my mouth saying that I thought Soros' actions are normal dissent, but I was talking about the majority of Americans who are dissenting the war and do so not because of some rich anti-establishment nut that we aren't even as familiar with as he is. Our Constitution gives us the right to petition for a redress of grievances. Pointing out the failures of our leaders is a form of petitioning for redress, no?

I will have to Google "Soros" since I don't know who he is except for that nasty ad in the NYT. Soros definitely doesn't influence me or most Americans, and I see that Hannity, O'Reilly, Limbaugh, etc no longer influence the real conservatives and evangelicals who are making gains for Huckabee. The extreme right and the extreme left should just save their breath and stop trying to brainwash us because we are not that stupid. I resent that Ralph assumes that any radicals on either side can influence us and brainwash us. He is insulting our intelligence and he questions our patriotism. (You are sounding like a Holier-than-thou, Ralph). He should apologize to you for that sarcastic crack about you resigning from the S-P lounge and the lawyer's guild. It was not witty; it was insulting.

I don't like Bush because he betrayed everyone including the conservative evangelicals that helped elect him. He proved he is part of that born-with-a-silver-spoon-in-the-mouth world-wide oligarchy, the class that cares only about itself and keeps a foot on the necks of little people. They could care less about illegal immigration and the cheap labor that serves them. The illegals come up here because our oligarchy doesn't step on them as hard as their own oligarchy does.

The greedy nouveau-riche fall in with Bush and his cronies and take advantage of their employees as we saw with the Enron deal. They could care less about the lost retirements, foreclosures, the devaluation of the dollar (they are probably swimming in Euros and dinars), the crumbling infrastructure (they don't use our infrastructure, they have other means), the closing of factories, etc.

It disgusted me to see "The Leader of the Free World" over in Saudi kissing those rich royal rag-heads. The oligarchs of this world hang together, and people could see that Romney would have been more of the same. McCain is not too old for me, but he scares me because he is a total war-hawk and a hot head. I don't think he would be very diplomatic when stressed.

I think we do need to pull out of Iraq now and it would not be a surrender or defeat. Bin Laden is still out there laughing at us. We need to pull back and regroup, rebuild our country and our economy, get better intelligence as to how to knock out the terrorist leaders and find their strongholds in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

We need to develop more sophisticated weaponry and equipment and rebuild the military. (People have had it with their men being sent on one tour of duty after another with inadequate equipment, etc). Suspending the war in Iraq will give us the time and money, no? The way we are doing it now is not gaining anything except for the mercenary Halliburtons, etc. For them Bush has the money to pay contracts for their dubious services and they get the best equipment and weapons and they are not our standing army. They get away with murder. They don't answer to our government; they are a private army. They work like the terrorists, and that is not the American way.

Thanks, Loop (what is your name?), you are a voice of reason.

Port Orchard, WA

Anonymous said...


I've been a fan of yours since I saw your remarks on Mohamed Fadley's blog, and I've enjoyed your unique prespective on Palestine, the Israeli dilemma, and
your tolerance of mohamed's "truth". I admire Logic Reason and Broad Perspective.

Loop Garoo is a long-time friendly,
and we both enjoy throwing mild insult at each other. If you had read our comments pro/con on other Posts, you'd know it's "good-natured" fun. He tends to ignore
Mountains of hard evidence, but a solid grounding in jurisprudence has that effect on some rascals.

"Loop Garoo" tag means Werewolf!
The S/H is a Critter-Getter and I
dig deeeper than most for people that I feel Do Evil Things to the Greatest, Most Benevolent, Inventive, Creative, Powerful Nation in World History. NOT Perfect, but still UnEqualed. We do have the finest, most mature Legal paradigm, and Our First Amendment! It Needs Our Loyalty!

S/H searches hard to find the most
dangerous people within our borders
and, since You are a bright, alert
person, it really bothers me that
most intelligent people have never
heard of George Soros. In my humble
view, he Is The Most Dangerous Man
In The USA, only because he has spent incredible amounts of money
Immediately after 9/11 (!!!) to smear a U.S. President, create mindless hatred for a President,
hates our Military People, helped set up "peace-activists" and
"grass-roots" democrats, and anti-military activists (see Code Pink,
Berkeley & S.F./Oakland, and They All Sing The Same Tune, i.e. he's 'dubya', nazi-like, "incompetent", he lied, and suckered us into an Iraq War, when OBL was in Afganistan, we should Impeach Bush/Cheney, etc etc.
Did you know that G. Soros bought
a Huge Block of Stock in Halliburton last year. Oh my!
Weeks after 9/11 George Soros began
funding Anti-U.S. "peace" groups.

When a Billionaire Spends Hundreds
of Millions to help fund "Peace Foundations", and their Literature
all Sing the Same Song, it's troubling! SOROS is an EVIL MAN.

I Believe The Most Evil Woman in the USA is Leslie Cagan. I doubt if
Port Orchard Emilie, a bright lady,
ever heard of Ms Cagan. She hates America too! Here's a Few Clues. She Hates Every Good & Decent Thing in our Country. She's another Hard-Core Master Puppeteer,
and she always on the prowl for gullible "Puppetista" (that's Leslie's terminology). Now, you do the research Emilie. You find her;
Do it! You'll find Pure Evil.
Loop, please let Emilie find Ms Cagan, don't clue her. Let Emilie
find this organizational genius,
then have Emilie come back and tell
me I'm wrong, (just a dog that won't let go of a bone).

I'm repetitious, but show me where I'm wrong, and I'll humbly, publicly apologize.
Emilie, you are very welcome here,
anytime. Loop's Secular-Progressive non-sense needs help. reb


Ah, got my tag back!


Let Me Assure You that I am not
a loyal George Bush Fan. Far from it! Nor am I a Solid Republican either. I like "Independent".

But, we have been at War with a
Suicidal Kill-Society since Nov 4,
1979. If you don't know that, I'll
look back to other Posts and find it for you.

The President Is The CIC. We Are Under Attack, and this war will not
end like a 90 minute movie; it's not Tv. The USA IS this World's Only Hope. Europe's Demographics
Are Grim. Peace Is A Lovely Fantasy
indulged in by the unaware.

I Cannot Explain GWB's Position on Illegal Immigration. He should grant a Full Pardon for two Border
Guards, Ramos & Campeon now in a
Federal Lock-Up. It's crazy! Some
Republicans Are Very Vocal On This,
but not enough! Bush is Correct on Iraq & Afganistan, dead wrong on some issues here at home. So are
all Democratic nominees on Iraq War. We will be in Iraq for another decade REGARDLESS of who
the next president is, no matter what Loop or S/H thinks!

Bush/Cheney will be gone soon. Let
the historians (and loop) fret over his legasy. Watch Iran, they
still enrich U-235). reb


Explanation For Emilie:

When the Grand Ayatollah Khomeini
grabbed the U.S. Embassy in Tehran
on Nov 4, 1979, I knew that it was an
'Act of War' under Int. Law. Prez
Carter's reaction was (in my view) too timid. It emboldened other crazies, and the violence multiplies.
In 1993 the World Trade Center in
N.Y. City was bombed (a warning signal) then the USS Cole. Seventeen U.S. Sailors Died. These events occured during the Bill Clinton Administration,
(Not Bush/Cheney/Halliburton).
Immediately After 9/11 Three (3) Hate Groups were at the ready, to
begin their Propaganda War against
the U.S., and our Leadership. These
three are:

a) A.N.S.W.E.R.
b) Code Pink
c) U.F.P.J.

In my research, it was inevitable that I would find two names i.e. George Soros and Leslie Cagan. (Do not be embarrassed if you've not
heard these names, MOST Americans
haven't a clue. (It's WHY I blog).

Both These Agendas Hate the U.S.A. One is Super-Wealthy, the other a
Super-Communist, with incredible Organizational Skills.

I would be remiss if I failed to
mention a very significant 'Peace' Group for students to investigate.

'Peace & Security Funders Group' has combined assets of 27 Billions of Dollars, and George Soros is a
major player within that select grouping.

One hate-group is less significant. Search "The Center For Public Integrity", also funded by Soros, is a Loop Garoo favorite.

Bush/Cheney/Halliburton/Gen. Petraeus are all fair game for these bone-heads.

Be advised: It would be more helpful to a healthy understanding
of who the above individuals are,
who they support, who & what they choose as their target-victims...

Rather than wasting your valuable time throwing verbal stones at
an old guy who's only motive is to
create an Informative Weblog with an Open-Forum Comment Section.

Welcome, Port Orchard Emilie! reb

Anonymous said...


I've asked you to research the woman I have written about, Ms
Leslie Cagan. Yes, she's extremely
dangerous to our National Interest.

She was the subject of S/H First Post, titled 'Our Goals'....that was two years ago.

Tap the first date in Archives, January, 2006. Hamas will appear.
Scroll down to OUR GOALS, and thank you for your interest. reb


Compiled From Wire Services, OrlandoSentinel & Tv sources
for Feb 15th

Now Clinton-Obama Camps kiss-up
to the Super-Delegates.

OBAMA ~ $698,000

HILLARY ~ $205,000


The viewers are free to make their
own judgement on the above, what does this ol'duffer know? Nuttin'!

Anonymous said...

Emilie says:

Good grief, Ralph, now you've got hold of another bone. I just asked my husband if he had ever heard of this Leslie Cagan, and he said no, and he spends the better part of his day reading about politics, etc. in newspapers, magazines, the internet, TV, etc. If this Soros and Cagan had any import you'd think he would have mentioned them to me. I asked him what alarms him most, and he says it is what he reads about the economy.

I am alarmed by the economy too. Our dollar is not going as far as it was. When we moved here from California ten years ago, gas was $1.25. Everything has gone up: utilities, property taxes, food, etc. We are retired on a fixed income and inflation is fast eating into it, but fortunately we don't have to worry that we'll lose our home, etc.

I think you take too much from the O'Reillys, etc. Where did you first hear about this Soros and Cagan? It had to be from that extreme right-wing egotistical nut. Is all you know what O'Reilly tells you?

The economy and our dollar are tanking. Whose fault is that? Is it Soros' or Cagan's fault? They are not driving the train like you think they are. There are many more powerful billionaires that we know have manipulated elections to put the scion of the Bush dynasty in power. Gore would have been President had a Florida court not appointed Bush as president. The evangelicals that voted him in must be sorry now. Would you be as respectful of Gore as Commander-in-Chief as you are of Bush? I can't respect somebody that actually puts his lips on a rich royal rag-head in Saudi like Bush did. Yuk! Doesn't that disgust you? How can he demean his office like that? The Saudis are extreme Islamists. Bin Laden is a Saudi! Why doesn't Bush demand they hand over his head on a platter?

I have enjoyed your forum because it is open, and you post everything from us even if you feel we are knocking you too much, and you were original and witty. However, lately your posts have been so full of the same scare-mongering that O'Reilly and his devotees are guilty of. And I thought you were an Independent. You are starting to sound like a hysteric, and before you started on this Soros jag you weren't like that.

I only catch O'Reilly sometimes because he follows Greta Van Susteren, who I enjoy watching. I like to see criminals brought to justice. Pretty soon tonight I am going to catch America's Most Wanted, another favorite. I watch O'Reilly when he announces a guest that I would like to hear, but he usually ruins it by his egotistical interruption and badgering of his guest. Then I have to change channels.

I don't like it when you wrongfully assume that Loop Garoo is just chomping at the bit to see who Soros tells him to vote for. I have never ever inferred from anything he says that he is influenced by anyone on the far left.

I guess to please you I will have to google this Soros and Cagan. I have never seen them on TV, so how important could they be to anybody except some devotees that are as misled as O'Reilly's. I don't like communists because I don't like to follow any ideology or religion, and as far as Soros goes, I don't see how a billionaire could be a communist. I think of billionaires as oligarchs or robber barons. Why would a billionaire capitalist support communism? Wouldn't he be cutting off his nose to spite his face?

I'll get back to you on this.

Emilie in Port Orchard, WA.

Anonymous said...

Emilie, P.O.

I would be very pleased if you would carefully follow these instructions:

a) Consult my Links

b) Tap FrontPageMag

c) Notice small print "Columnists"
under word 'FRONT'

d) Scroll Down to John Perazzo,
Tap it.

e) Find title w/ "Castro Groupie"

Because of Time Constraints, and
Commercials, we find Tv sources
"Extremely Limiting". To suggest that I found George Soros on
The O'Reilly Factor indicates an
indefensable perspective.

Perazzo is a fine, easy to read Author. He's thorough. I'm certain
you'll enjoy this contact. reb



As A Point of Interest, this editor
found Leslie Cagan's U.F.P.J.'s vast
Propaganda Ministry that has "Campus Organizers" across the country, and she also Sits on the Bd. of Directors of Five 'New Pacifica' Radio Stations...

Well, we found her in December of 2005. (I'd never heard of her).

George Soros in 2006, and O'Reilly
Commentary in 2007, long after we
started Snake Hunter's Weblog.

If Anyone Out There can find One Single Individual, Left or Right, residing in the USA that has set up
a great (or greater) organization to Influence Public Opinion, or
Create Mind-Numbing Hate Groups...
like "Impeach Bush/Cheney" since
PLEASE, Inform Me! I would love to
add them to my Target List. If They Hate This Country, or Our Fine Military People...I would Deem It An Honor to Expose Them!

Thank you. reb



Now here's and old group of "peacenik" left-overs (pun) from the Vietnam Era.

W.A.N.D., Women's Action New Direction came here in 1989 to get local dupes to start Oak Ridge Environmental Peace Alliance (note
the 3 buzz-words?). They have a
"Peace" Rally & Parade every August 6th, to pay homage to Hiroshima Days, but not a word about Pearl Harbor!

So, today's 'New Direction' label
is hardly anything really new at all. MoveOn just enjoys putting a new shine on Old Buzz-words.

Ya think "CHANGE" will last 'til November?


Anonymous said...

“Loop Garoo chooses to ridicule” everyone with whom he disagrees. It is a typical leftist tactic. In this fashion, the left can create fantasy and illusion that is designed to befuddle the unaware mind. The motto: Damn the facts! Go ahead, full speed!

The next step is to claim a stifling of dissent. In effect the left argues, “My fantasy is truth; your facts are irrelevant, and you must spend your valuable time reading/hearing them,” with true lachrymosity. I always have my hankie ready for the performance.

These players in global jihad lived in Iraq prior to the invasion: al-Zawqari, Ramsey Youssef (1993 WTC bombing), Abu Nidal, and Abu Hassan.

Remember, it was forty years of capitulation that helped induce the WTC-93, and 9/11 attacks. Jihadists saw our lack of self-defense (a poor policy for thirty plus year) as weakness. And as Billy Bob said in 1998, they will become emboldened if we don’t take action. It was lack of action and an ideology of hatred that began in 1928, not a particular person, that brought us into this predicament.

Anyone notice? Lately, the Bush Derangement Syndrome created by our elite-leftist media seems to have spilled over into a Clinton Derangement Syndrome. Which leftist/s would be behind that? Yet, I enjoy watching the fighting within the Democratic institution.

Let’s not forget the extensive funding of leftists groups our buddy George Soros funds. And A-Jad accused Soros of promoting “soft revolution” in Iran. In Iran, they just imprison anyone they think is part of Soros’ revolution. If we did that in America, the left wing of the Democratic Party would be incarcerated. Would that be greater than 50% of Democrats?

Pooh Bear