Thursday, October 15, 2009

MOHAMED'S POST HERE!


Muslims & Christians .. "A Common Word"


by Mohamed Fadly

At Georgetown university in Washington, a wonderful experience of cultural talk is going on. A conference among senior Muslim scholars including the Grand Mufti of Egypt, Dr. Ali Gomaa, and Amr Khaled, the famous Muslim preacher who have wide fame among Muslim youth, and senior Christian scholars. Political personalities are attending the conference from among them are Tony Blair, Professor John Esposito and Anwar Ibrahim. This two-day conference will take the "Common Word" initiative to the next stage by focusing on global issues and initiatives for change. Global political and religious leaders, scholars, media, and community representatives will discuss and develop concrete proposals to advance global peace and security between Muslim and Western societies. This bright experience started 3 years ago, when Pope Benedict XVI offered a speech offending Muslims around the world. An action that was faced by a wise reaction from 38 Islamic authorities and scholars from around the world, representing all denominations and schools of thought, joined together to deliver an answer to the Pope in the spirit of open intellectual exchange and mutual understanding. The number expanded a year later to be 138 Muslim scholars, clerics and intellectuals coming together to declare the common ground between Christianity and Islam. All major Muslim countries were represented in the message that is addressed to all Churches and indeed all Christians all over the world. The uniqueness of this initiative is that it depends on the teachings of the two great prophets, Muhammad and Jesus (Peace Be Upon Both of Them).

In a related event at Johns Hopkins University organized by US Institute of Peace, Dr. Ali Gomaa will discuss the challenge of moderation in Islam. Dr. Gomaa has been a regular critic of violence being practiced in the name of Islam, and has written extensively on spirituality, prevention of violence, human rights, women's equality and peacemaking. Dr. Gomaa has a wide fame among Muslims and particularly in Egypt. Following is the Summary of the introduction to the initiative..

Muslims and Christians together make up well over half of the world's population. Without peace and justice between these two religious communities, there can be no meaningful peace in the world. The future of the world depends on peace between Muslims and Christians.

The basis for this peace and understanding already exists. It is part of the very foundational principles of both faiths: love of the One God, and love of the neighbour. These principles are found over and over again in the sacred texts of Islam and Christianity. The Unity of God, the necessity of love for Him, and the necessity of love of the neighbour is thus the common ground between Islam and Christianity. The following are only a few examples:

Of God's Unity, God says in the Holy Qur'an: "Say: He is God, the One! / God, the Self-Sufficient Besought of all!"(Al-Ikhlas, 112:1-2). Of the necessity of love for God, God says in the Holy Qur'an: "So invoke the Name of thy Lord and devote thyself to Him with a complete devotion"(Al-Muzzammil, 73:8). Of the necessity of love for the neighbour, the Prophet Muhammad said: "None of you has faith until you love for your neighbour what you love for yourself."

In the New Testament, Jesus Christ said:"Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is One. / And you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind, and with all your strength.' This is the first commandment. / And the second, like it, is this: 'You shall love your neighbour as yourself.' There is no other commandment greater than these."(Mark 12:29-31) In the Holy Qur'an, God Most High enjoins Muslims to issue the following call to Christians (and Jews—the People of the Scripture):"Say: O People of the Scripture! Come to a common word between us and you: that we shall worship none but God, and that we shall ascribe no partner unto Him, and that none of us shall take others for lords beside God. And if they turn away, then say: Bear witness that we are they who have surrendered (unto Him)."(Aal 'Imran 3:64)

The words:"we shall ascribe no partner unto Him"relate to the Unity of God, and the words:"worship none but God", relate to being totally devoted to God. Hence they all relate to the First and Greatest Commandment. According to one of the oldest and most authoritative commentaries on the Holy Qur'an the words: "that none of us shall take others for lords beside God", mean 'that none of us should obey the other in disobedience to what God has commanded'. This relates to the Second Commandment because justice and freedom of religion are a crucial part of love of the neighbor.

Thus in obedience to the Holy Qur'an, we as Muslims invite Christians to come together with us on the basis of what is common to us, which is also what is most essential to our faith and practice: the Two Commandments of love.



41 comments:

SNAKE HUNTERS said...

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The Public Comments of Dr. Ali Gomaa Must Be Heard!

His Direct Opposition...To Radical Islamic Behavior...deserve world scrutiny and acceptance as the 'Moderate Voice of Islam' - also, at The United Nations.

a) Dr. Ali Gomaa Opposes The Exploitation...of young muslims that have been conditioned to believe that it is "Allah's Will",
when they blow themselves to bits in public places - in mosques, in grand hotels and railroad stations, in airports and cafes, or on commercial jet airliners.

b) Dr. Gomaa Opposes The Death Penalty for Apostasy.

c) Dr. Gomaa Opposes Female Circumcision of Female Muslim Girls (FGM), Female Genitalia Mutilation.

d) Dr. Gomaa is quoted as saying "Terrorists are Criminals, not muslim activists!"

This Man - Recalls to my memory Another Courageous Moderate - The President of Egypt, Anwar Sadat, who attempted an accomodation with Israeli Premier Menachem Begin, to stop the blood-letting in Palestine in 1979-1980.

Anwar Sadat was assassinated in 1981.

reb
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no_slappz said...

There is no evidence outside of Iraq that muslims will accept democracy as a form of government.

Even within Iraq, there is no evidence muslims will accept a government that that has a greater claim on individuals than Islam itself.

The muslims of the world will always have trouble co-existing with non-muslims as long as muslims believe Islam and the Koran trump non-religious, western-style law.

Mohamed said...

In 1919, Egyptian people was calling in the streets; "Long live the crescent side by side with the cross."

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Mr. reb,

Thanks for republishing this post.

I believe that every religion has his both good and bad followers. Good examples who believe in its core will increase only when they are encouraged, ignoring them will help nobody but the extremists.

Regards,

Mohamed

no_slappz said...

In a religion that also functions as a government, the fact that the following acts were/are legal shows the extraordinary lunacy that afflicts muslim thinking:

a) muslims conditioned to believe it is "Allah's Will" when they blow themselves to bits in public places.

b) The Death Penalty for Apostasy.

c) Female Circumcision of Female Muslim Girls (FGM), Female Genitalia Mutilation.

no_slappz said...

mohamed wrote:

"I believe that every religion has his both good and bad followers."

Mohamed does not know the difference between religion and government.

A government based on the teachings of the Koran is not a government. It is enslavement, and devotion to backwardness.

SNAKE HUNTERS said...

A SLAP IN THE FACE?

WHY...has my friend Mohamed suddenly changed the direction of his weblog away from the positive steps he and I have recorded on the 7th & 15th of October.

On Mohamed's Oct 7th Post I was thrilled to learn about Dr. Ali Gomaa's fine efforts on 'Muslim & Christian.."A Common Word" - I was so impressed, that we Duplicated the Post on Snake Hunters Blog!

Then, Friend Mohamed apparently felt that was just a little too much "Moderation" & Positivity!
(Only 7 Comments in 5 Days).

Compare with "Jews..Enemies or Friends" (65 Comments, 16 days).

On Oct 13th, he switched off his front-page to 'women's hijab' (head-scarf) then on Oct 15th to CLIMATE CHANGE!!!

What's Going On Mohamed? Where Are Your Priorities? I'm mystified.

When we finally find common ground,
Mohamed tosses it all away for head-gear trivia & climate change nonsense!

I would appreciate at least an explanation, or better yet a public apology. reb
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Anonymous said...

Haj Muhammed Amin al-Husseini was also a Grand Mufti, of Jerusalem. He spent most of WW II as a guest of Adolph Hitler.

It's nice to read your comments again no_slappz.

The Loop Garoo Kid

no_slappz said...

snake,

There is no chance mohamed believes the state of Israel has the right to exist.

When push comes to shove, he will demand that Israel depart from the middle east and return the land to muslims.

His behavior is consistent with the usual form of inconsistency that is part of islamic wavering. You think a guy like mohamed is beginning to seem sensible, then he sends the discussion into the nearest ditch with pointless shifts to other subjects.

Winfred Mann said...

Since its founding in 1928, the Muslim Brotherhood (Hizb al-Ikhwan al-Muslimun) has profoundly influenced the political life of the Middle East. Its motto is telling: "Allah is our objective. The Prophet is our leader. The Qur'an is our law. Jihad is our way. Dying in the way of Allah is our highest hope."
While the Brotherhood's radical ideas have shaped the beliefs of generations of Islamists, over the past two decades, it has lost some of its power and appeal in the Middle East, crushed by harsh repression from local regimes and snubbed by the younger generations of Islamists who often prefer more radical organizations.
But the Middle East is only one part of the Muslim world. Europe has become an incubator for Islamist thought and political development. Since the early 1960s, Muslim Brotherhood members and sympathizers have moved to Europe and slowly but steadily established a wide and well-organized network of mosques, charities, and Islamic organizations. Unlike the larger Islamic community, the Muslim Brotherhood's ultimate goal may not be simply "to help Muslims be the best citizens they can be," but rather to extend Islamic law throughout Europe and the United States.
Four decades of teaching and cultivation have paid off. The student refugees who migrated from the Middle East forty years ago and their descendants now lead organizations that represent the local Muslim communities in their engagement with Europe's political elite. Funded by generous contributors from the Persian Gulf, they preside over a centralized network that spans nearly every European country.
These organizations represent themselves as mainstream, even as they continue to embrace the Brotherhood's radical views and maintain links to terrorists. With moderate rhetoric and well-spoken German, Dutch, and French, they have gained acceptance among European governments and media alike. Politicians across the political spectrum rush to engage them whenever an issue involving Muslims arises or, more parochially, when they seek the vote of the burgeoning Muslim community.

no_slappz said...

Greetings Loop.

Anti-western beliefs are the common coin of muslims. I see it daily because I live beside a Pakistani community in Brooklyn, where Islamic fundamentalists are welcome.

Every day many women in burquas walk the local streets. Many of the young men seem to model their appearance on osama bin laden, and I know the FBI is in the area, watching and occasionally questioning these clowns.

Police presence is high, partly because NY City's chief of police lives in my neighborhood and partly because a major subway line runs nearby. Undoubtedly the police who are usually patrolling my above-ground subway station think potential terrorists are in the Pakistani community.

Anonymous said...

Blessings are upon the head of the just: but violence covereth the mouth of the wicked.
Proverbs 10:6

He that hideth hatred with lying lips, and he that uttereth a slander, is a fool.
Proverbs 10:18

The living GOD is JESUS . We have one way to heaven through him. No work we do, no good deed-- nothing, but to accept JESUS, and ask him to come into our hearts can keep us from eternal suffering.
HELL IS REAL. Nothing we can suffer on earth compares to hell.
Its our choice. Please choose soon, as we may not have much time.

Jason

PS: Satan is alive, and walks among us. He wants us to suffer. You may have even seen his work. BEWARE- this is real !!! Laugh at me if you wish. This is the truth.
Keep up the fight, sir Reb !!!!!!

Debbie said...

There are more Muslims speaking out, but not enough. I understand their fear.

Deborah F. Hamilton
Right Truth
http://www.righttruth.typepad.com

SNAKE HUNTERS said...

----
Amillennialist fired off this e-Mail One-Pager to Reb:

"Contrary to anti-Christian/anti-Catholic elements in the West, it was never "Hitler's Pope," it was "Hitler's Mufti"!

Gotcha! reb
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Amillennialist said...

If a "moderate" is not truly moderate but just putting on a show for non-Muslims, then any confidence in him only aids our demise.

Tom the Redhunter said...

All very interesting, but anything with John Esposito in it can't be all good.

Anyway, conferences are all very nice but they rather miss the point, I think.

The problem in pre-Civil War America wasn't that the North and South didn't understand each other, but that they understood each other all too well.

The problem between the U.S. and U.S.S.R. wasn't that we didn't understand each other, but that we understood each other all too well.

Ditto for Muslims and Christians today

So when Muslims denounce the Muslim Brotherhood I'll be interested. That they don't is because they fear for their lives, as Debbie says. They also need to speak out and denounce Sharia law as antithetical to the modern world.

But few Muslims will do this. Mohamed won't.

Instead, Muslims mostly spend their time whining and complaining. I'll be interested when they face up to the problems in their religion and try to clean it up, rather than waste our time with conferences meant to paper over the problems in Islam.

SNAKE HUNTERS said...

It seems that knowledgable people that study these complexities of "publicized moderation" within the muslim culture, are more than just a little skeptical. If Grand Mufti Ali Gomaa were to come down too hard on The Muslim Brotherhood,
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or on SaudiKing Abdullah's "Council of American Islamic Relations" (C.A.I.R.), he might quickly join Anwar Sadat on Martyr's Row!

reb
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Winfred Mann said...

Muslim Labour MP Predicts Total Islamification of Britain Within 30 Years

The remarks were made at the October 2008 “Global Peace and Unity” conference held at the Excel London centre, but were deliberately withheld from the video coverage released of that event.
The video speech in which Mr Malik made his remarks has now been released on the internet — nearly five months after the event.
The suppression of the video was clearly designed to try and limit the damage to the ruling Tory and Labour elite, whose immigration policies have led to the situation where a Muslim cabinet minister can confidently predict the total Islamification of this nation.

SNAKE HUNTERS said...

Shahid Malik is a muslim/brit journalist & politico - more on Wikipedia. reb
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no_slappz said...

winfred,

Fortunately muslims are technically incompetent, which is the obvious result of attempting to return humanity to the 7th Century.

Their inability to do much more than run news-stands and operate food carts will prevent them from ascending to power in leading world nations.

Winfred Mann said...

no,

Unfortunately they will kill us infidels to cover up their chagrin.

no_slappz said...

winfred,

They will not have the chance to kill us all.

The American response to 9/11 is a good indicator of the willingness of America to smash an enemy.

Our tactics can change in response to theirs. If it were up to me, Ahmadenijad and the other top leaders of Iran would have been killed with a barrage or cruise missiles a couple of years ago.

When we eliminate their leadership in a single sweep, their willingness to engage major powers will decline.

SNAKE HUNTERS said...

No_Slappz & Winfred are only partially correct; the Jihadi Master-plan includes the Steady Infiltration of every large organizational structure of our government & communication fields, our great universities, our nationalized medical groups, and finally...our churches.

All of the above will be bombarded with a repeating empty chatter of cheer-leading...for 'Hope & Change'...and Fatuous calls for "Peace & Love!"

Europe will be the first to fall; then North America.

India & China are more aware of this 'ugly kill-culture' with their 1.4 billion subdued & teeming populations.

The Atomic Clock Is Ticking!

reb

no_slappz said...

reb,

Though I acknowledge some of the same concerns you expressed, I do not believe it is possible to muslim culture to overtake the US.

Americans will not stand for religion -- any religion -- defining everyone's daily life.

Winfred Mann said...

No,

"They will not have the chance to kill us all." (I'm permitted dramatic license.)
I agree, and in addition:
The American response to 9/11 occurred when we had a pro-American in the White House, verses Mao's adoring student and his leftist counterparts. What could save us is the second amendment.

And you are correct re:lack of technology. They only have the power to hurt, not control. Unfortunately, they are the only growing religion in the world. I think a worthy objective is to prevent their growth with education. But look at our schools. Did they ever start the Islamic school (paid for by taxpayers) in Brooklyn?

How many "freedom of religion" lawsuits are being pursued? How's Dearborn, Michigan (public call to prayer, foot-baths in schools et al) these days? They pursue their goal on multiple fronts.

Because of personal and family suffering at the hands of these maniacal murderers, I've studied this death cult in depth. The Islamic goal of inflicting Sharia Law on the world is what drives them; not much else matters to "true believers." Very few stray from the religion--fear of death. The have a catecheismic education (many are illiterate) that motivates them to blindly follow the incongruous ranting in the Qur'an as directed by the local Imam.

The EU overly liberal EU is already toast, with the UK not too far behind.

The current administration hasn't the will, courage or understanding to fight them. They falsely believe they can negotiate with them.

All the best,
WM

SNAKE HUNTERS said...

The Next Phase...

Will be a direct assault on our 1st & 2nd Amendments, with full Domination of the Broadcast Media by the FCC CZAR.

reb
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no_slappz said...

winfred,

Regarding the muslim school in Brooklyn, yes, the Khalil Gibran school was established, but under circumstances that suggest to me it will fail.

For whatever it's worth, my former office was on the 47th floor of Tower One at the World Trade Center. I was not in the building on the morning of 9/11, but many people I knew were. Some of those I knew worked on the upper floors and were killed.

I think you are right about the lack of will in our current administration. However, that's one reason Obama may reprise the Jimmy Carter administration and leave after one term.

If he fails any of his big tests -- reviving the economy, concluding operations in Iraq and managing Afghanistan -- he is likely to lose in 2012.

If there is a serious terrorist attack inside the US, Obama will lose the next election.

As a rider on the NY City subway, it seems impossible to me that security forces can stop a terrorist bomber.

But I hope the muslim leaders who would orchestrate a bombing realize the price the US would impose on the culpable nation.

I believe even Obama would re-act, however reluctantly.

Winfred Mann said...

No,
On February 26, 1993, I was flying through the air in the PATH Center of the World Trade Center, from the force of the terrorist act Muslims perpetrated. A man thirty feet from me died immediately in his own pool of blood; further, I witnessed the mangled bodies of other unfortunates who died by the turnstiles. A member of my family was killed in 2005, thanks to Muslim terrorists, and I lost friends on 9/1.1

Unlike you, I have no faith that the current administration will “react” (being reactive VS proactive is a huge problem in international affairs) properly to terror or any other type of attack on America. He hasn’t the intestinal fortitude to take a stand, and our enemies do take note of this, esp. Iran and Russia.

He’s anti-military and a pacifist, which is at the core of his leftist/pacifist international agenda. He sold out Poland and is currently selling out Israel. For some bizarre reason, he’s extended Miranda rights to terrorists captured on the battlefields in Afghanistan. This must be a joke.

Consider the pacifist mindset of the Obama administration, as Orwell noticed during WWII regarding the pacifists. I’ve bracketed some of his thoughts that are still relevant today.
(v) Pacifism. The majority of pacifists either belong to obscure religious sects or are simply humanitarians who object to the taking of life and prefer not to follow their thoughts beyond that point. [But there is a minority of intellectual pacifists whose real though unadmitted motive appears to be hatred of western democracy and admiration of totalitarianism. Pacifist propaganda usually boils down to saying that one side is as bad as the other, but if one looks closely at the writings of younger intellectual pacifists, one finds that they do not by any means express impartial disapproval but are directed almost entirely against Britain and the United States.] (Today, you can include Israel in the disapproval group.) [Moreover they do not as a rule condemn violence as such, but only violence used in defence of western countries. The Russians, unlike the British, are not blamed for defending themselves by warlike means, and indeed all pacifist propaganda of this type avoids mention of Russia or China.] (This still carries today.) It is not claimed, again, that the Indians should abjure violence in their struggle against the British. [Pacifist literature abounds with equivocal remarks which, if they mean anything, appear to mean that statesmen of the type of Hitler are preferable to those of the type of Churchill, and that violence is perhaps excusable if it is violent enough.] After the fall of France, the French pacifists, faced by a real choice which their English colleagues have not had to make, mostly went over to the Nazis, and in England there appears to have been some small overlap of membership between the Peace Pledge Union and the Blackshirts. Pacifist writers have written in praise of Carlyle, one of the intellectual fathers of Fascism. [All in all it is difficult not to feel that pacifism, as it appears among a section of the intelligentsia, is secretly inspired by an admiration for power and successful cruelty.] The mistake was made of pinning this emotion to Hitler, but it could easily be retransfered. (Notes on Nationalism)


The cumulative effect of the steady drip-drop of socialist/pacifist thought: blaming America, the UK, and Israel for all the ills of the world is extremely detrimental to Western societies and their futures. It’s Western civil societies, not socialism/pacifism that created the progress (human rights, liberty, et al) that humankind has made. To impede its progress is to send the world backwards.
We are headed for disaster with this so-called leadership.

SNAKE HUNTERS said...

No_slappz & Winfred are both independent, rational people, and speak beyond the usual partisan gibberish and canned "talking points" most often heard elsewhere.
Communists-Socialists-Marxists-Islamic Jihadi - All of them must be Confronted - by Alert & Aware American Citizens!

- Infiltration Of The United States -

has remained my primary focus for
45 months, when I first attempted
blogging on Jan 5, 2006...

Our First Target was Leslie Cagan, a Hard-core Fidel Castro fuzzy-buddy during the Cuban Missile Crisis, 1962.

U.F.P.J. "United For Peace & Justice", featuring Susan Sarandon,
Barbra Striesand, Jane Fonda, Ed Ansnar, Sean Penn, Michael Moore, et al - pushing the 'Party Line', and all hating the 'Dubya' Bush/Cheney Administration.

Hmmmm.

Then we discovered an even bigger hate-america swinehundt hiding behind the curtain of anonymity, a billionaire king-maker with a slick penchant for manipulating the Two-Party Political System in the USA!

I believe that George Soros is an International Monster-man!

On Sept 10, 2007, through Soros... MOVEONDOTORG blasted a most capable field commander, Gen David Petraeus with a Full-Page Nation Wide Smear Ad. The Bold Headline,

GENERAL PETRAEUS OR GENERAL BETRAY US?

George Soros backed Al Gore in 2000, John Kerry in 2004, then first backing Hillary in 2007-08, then Uncle Georgie knifed this lady in the back, Switching his Minions to Barack Obama on Feb 1st 2008.
On the same day...Teddy & Caroline
Kenndey publicly endorsed Obama.

THE FIX WAS IN!

Need more on this Soros fellow? Just go now to our Recent Posts Column (on the left), scroll down and tap > 'Postmodern Villain'.

Want The Truth - Follow The Money.

reb
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Winfred Mann said...

Following the "Religion of Peace and Love"

PEORIA, Ariz. — Police in a Phoenix suburb are looking for a father suspected of running down his daughter because she was becoming too "Westernized" and was not living according to their traditional Iraqi values.Fateh almaleki

Police say 48-year-old Faleh Hassan Almaleki of Glendale allegedly ran his daughter down Tuesday at an Arizona Department of Economic Security parking lot in Peoria.

The victim, 20-year-old Noor Faleh Almaleki of Surprise, remains hospitalized with life-threatening injuries.

A second woman, 43-year-old Amal Edan Khalaf, also of Surprise, suffered non-life threatening injuries. Police say the women are roommates.

no_slappz said...

Winfred, your experience is a rough one. My smpathies go out to you.

Many I knew were in the Trade Center during the first blast, though all escaped unharmed, but tired, after taking the stairs down from the top floors.

I began working on the 47th floor of Tower One in the late 1990s. My office window gave me a limited view of the Statue of Liberty, which always attracted the interest of people in small planes. They flew by every day and after watching them I realized how easy it would be for terrorists to fly a plane into the Trade Center.

Meanwhile, I do share your fear of the "pacifist" sensibility.

With respect to head-to-head conflict, in facing the dilemma of siding with a democratic, high-minded and humane government or siding with a psychopathic and insanely brutal tyranny, it's clear pacifists willfully surrender to the latter.

Nevertheless, I am hopeful that if there is another terrorist attack in the US, the government will re-act. Yes, it is unfortunate that the best we can hope for is a re-action. But as we know, there has been a lot of opposition to the Bush philosophy of pre-emption.

Fortunately, Israel may knock out the Iranian nuclear threat even though it may trouble Obama to see his spiritual brothers endure yet another humiliation.

On that note I am surprised at the lack of attention paid to the impact youthful religious instruction has on one's mind.

Kids are helpless against the psychological impact of early indoctrination. The fact that Obama converted to Christianity does nothing for me.

People spend lifetimes attempting to erase the effects of dogma they were force-fed during their most impressionable and formative years. For Obama, he was living in a muslim nation, the son of a muslim father and he attended a muslim school. I believe he attended a convention school -- not a rabid fundamentalist "madrassa". Rather, a typical school where Islam was the implied guide.

Meanwhile, there is no evidence he broke completely with his youthful muslim identity. Reverend Wright has been an outspoken supporter of Louis Farrakhan and the Nation of Islam. Thus, Obama has kept his muslim spirit alive.

Fortunately, Obama has the look of a new Jimmy Carter. Obama's administration, like Carter's, may reveal its greatest weakness in its dealings with Iran.

no_slappz said...

Winfred,

These insane crimes committed by muslims in the name of their bizarre religion are, fortunately, rare in the US.

However, the setting for these crimes is foundation of life for muslims in muslim nations.

How long wiill it take for westerners to get the message that muslims practice the enslavement of females?

SNAKE HUNTERS said...

- Mr. no_slappz -

The muslim mind-set places their women & little girls in a very different place in their society.

Females are property, like the family goat.

A cursory glance at our "Ayatollah Exposed" (post) should give all women everywhere an extreme revulsion to anything tainted with
Islam, Shari'a Law, and the Steady Infiltration of Their Sicko Beliefs Right Here in the Land of Liberty & Justice For All!

Stoning to Death...of young muslim girls? - 'Honor-Killings' by their parents, without any Legal Retribution? Public whippings by the Piety Police for Infractions of the Dress Code?

I'll Ask You: Where Are The Women's Rights Advocacy Groups?

Where Are the So-called Christian Women's Groups? Jewish Groups?
Mormon Groups? Latino Groups? Polish, Irish, Italian, and Black Groups?

Come On, Ladies...This Is YOUR Forum Too - Get your dead-butt men up here to say something other than inane Tv Comedy, Pro-Sports & Beer...

IF, You Have The Spine For It!

reb
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Winfred Mann said...

No,

We definitely agree that it's the Islamic ideology that causes the problem. Muslims believe they are superior to all others; it's a form of racism.


Jordan Man Arrested at Chicago's O'Hare Airport for Alleged Terrorist Threats
A Jordanian national was arrested at O'Hare International Airport on a warrant from Minnesota alleging that he is wanted for making terrorist threats.
Officials say Ismail Alqawasmi was taken into custody Thursday evening by Immigration and Customs agents after the warrant turned up in a name check

no_slappz said...

Winfred,

As I mentioned, I live adjacent to a large Pakistani community in Brooklyn.

A few days after 9/11 I was having coffee at a shop with a lot of muslim customers and I got into a conversation with a muslim fellow who explained everything to me in a single sentence.

When I asked him for his thoughts on why the US was attacked, he said "because you have too much freedom. It is not right."

He went on to tell me he was deeply upset about the attack and that it never should have happened, but he reiterated that he understood the feelings of the muslims who were behind it.

Clearly, it is more accurate to say he was sharing his own feelings about the clash between western and islamic culture.

With a few words he passed moral judgment on the west. After he shared his views I told him that freedom was one of those bedrock issues that was not negotiable. However, like all muslims, he saw everything through the Koran.

In the late 1970s I was attending engineering school with a number of muslims. One was a brilliant Iranian student who transferred to California Institute of Technology. After he left, I lost track of him.

There were 200 Iranians at my university, mostly studying business. Many were affected by the fall of the Shah and the Iran/Iraq war.

All were studying in the US because they were given scholarships by Iran. Nevertheless, they protested the Shah's rule as vigorously as people protest in free democracies.

I asked some of them what they expected to achieve by removing the Shah and they seemed at home with the idea of a more religiously observant government. However, it was clear they each had a notion of gaining something from the new government they were promoting.

After the Shah was deposed, the first change they felt was the loss of tuition money. Many had to leave school, and, as a result, they lost their student status. That forced some back to Iran and others into their first American jobs -- such as pumping gas, where citizenship was not a requirement.

But as far as I know, virtually none of them were able to exploit their engineering or other academic skills. The local defense contractors would not hire them.

So, their experience added support to the adage that muslims never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity.

Winfred Mann said...

The Religion of Peace Continues the Reign of Terror

Staten Island, N.Y. — A 37-year-old wife from New Brighton tried to slit her husband’s throat as he slept because he was not the devout Muslim she believed she married , and pressured her to eat pork and drink alcohol, authorities allege.

In a rambling, four-page handwritten confession, Rabia Sarwar laid out the “mental and emotional cruelty” that led to her trying to kill her husband, Susan Wagner High School teacher Sheikh Naseem, early yesterday morning, a law enforcement source said.

“I tried my best to cut his throat,” Ms. Sarwar admitted, according to court papers. Except Naseem woke up during the attempt, and took the knife from her, authorities said.

SNAKE HUNTERS said...

Winfred - IF I understand your report, my sympathies are with this poor confused 37 yr old muslim housewife Rabia Sarwar.

U.S. Jurisprudence should grant her a Legal Annulment from that americanized muslim high-school teacher, Sheikh Naseen Sarwar.

He Should Choke On Camel-feathers!

That brute needs to learn a lesson about forcing Ham & Eggs, and nasty-tasting booze down this poor muslim ladies throat!

Deport Them Back Home To Egypt, or Pakistan, or Saudi Arabia! Send C.A.I.R. the Freight Bill...let Shari'a Law sort it out. Let Peace & Justice Reign Supreme!

Eggs...with Ham, Center-Cut Bacon, with Biscuits & Sausage Gravy Are Gawd's Gift For Real Americans!

Let the Muzzies Eat Goat & Mutton-Pie.

reb
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no_slappz said...

I do not know what to make of the muslim wife accused of attempting to murder her somewhat Americanized marginally muslim husband.

We start with the fact that this troubled woman was sold to an American muslim by her family. There is no other word for "arranged marriage" than "slavery".

Or maybe the would-be husband was offered a dowry to take the problematic woman off the hands of her family, which most likely had had trouble unloading her on a muslim husband in Pakistan. Perhaps because in Pakistan she was damaged goods.

However, in the photo of her that appeared in the NY Post, she was wearing a jogging suit and head covering. Her eyes, part of her forehead and a lock of hair were visible. From that limited exposure, I got the feeling she was a good-looking woman.

So maybe there is a boyfriend somewhere in this story. Maybe this is a phony green-card immigration story.

Maybe she is simply crazy and none of the religious or marital factors matter.

As a killer she showed she was incompetent, which makes me wonder about the seriousness of her intent. Her husband's wounds were minor. Thus, I think there is something else afoot.

SNAKE HUNTERS said...

Let Obama's 'Diversity Czar' figure it out, then make a public statement.

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November S/H Post - Letter to Tom - should be enough for a 'thinking majority' to make their decisions on Who & What is needed for "We The People" > > in November, 2010.

reb
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Winfred Mann said...

I think this woman, mired in the snake oil ideology of Islam, thought of her husband as an apostate, and failed in her attempt to kill him. After all, she confessed to this.

no_slappz said...

Winfred,

As I said, I do not know what to think. She definitely attempted to kill him. At least that was the goal she expressed.

On that basis, the prosecutor has an easy case. He will record another conviction without much effort.

The interesting thing is to consider what would have happened to her if she were living in Pakistan and had committed the same act there.

Most likely she would already be dead.

Anyway, as I said, she appears to be an attractive woman. In fact, I saw another photo of her in today's paper, and she truly is good looking.

However, the devout Pakistani muslim women who live near me here in Brooklyn wear burquas or other muslim fashions that cover all but the eyes. The less devout cover themselves but show most of their faces.

Based on the photos, this crazy woman seems to be wavering on the fashion restrictions.

Anyway, due to the incompleteness of the details of this situation, I am certain some important facts have yet to surface.

SNAKE HUNTERS said...

On December 7th, 2009 I posted this comment on Sir Amillennialist fine effort on Oct 23, 2009 Post - > > See: "Americans Are Generous..." (He's in my Link-Listings):

"During Dr. Ali Gomaa's two-day conference here, he spoke of the need for "change" in basic muslim attitudes, especially the treatment of women, within that grotesquely backward culture!

What's this, a small glimmer of hope, from a Moderate Muslim?

Could this be the beginnings of a serious reversal, at least in Egypt? Or is it simply designed to give 'We naive Westerners' a false sense of hope for some real change in Muslim thinking, at a higher level within that fundamentally unchangable environment...Or, is it simply another clever deception?

When (Sir "A") points to the fact that Dr Gomaa still supports Iran's Puppet (Hezbullah) in Lebanon, with their unchangable cry
for "Death to America!", it tends to put the damper on any wishful thinking, and should remind us all that "War Is Deceit"!

(S/H Concludes)

Like 'Horatius At The Bridge' you might find some encouragement in your singular efforts, if you can get the help and support of a few good people, to stand beside you."

reb
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